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8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Carney Hall 9-30-05  
I am converting a 1988 transit style school bus to my new RV home. I need a shop manual in order to maintain the engine as I go. I have it retitled and the seats are out and have already been cross country in it so I know it is a decent bus. Anyone with ideas as to where i can get authoritative information please let me know.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL arbabu 5-20-09  
Detroit Diesel 8.2L Fuel Pincher Service Manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL BILL 6-23-09  
I have a 8.2 turbo detroit engine
eng serial no 08g0207762 and model no
4082-8300, i would like to get engine specs, torque settings anything avail for this engine it has been pulled down and is ready for re assembling, overhaul kit due any day can anybody help with any info please,
thank you..bill from australia
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL kannan 5-20-09  
I have one detroit v8 diesel engine,my problem is how to set the fuel injectors.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL bj 4-20-09  
I need the head torques
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL morris joncas 4-6-09  
Hi i was wondering if i could get a copy of this shop manual.We just purchased a 1994 fleetwood flair and i am told that is what it has for a engine.it would be great to no where everything is located on this engine, thanks
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Andrew 6-23-09  
Am working on an 8.2L with turbo at the moment. Would appreciate shop manual download if possible. Cheers.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL O Bucio 9-21-09  
I need to replace a head on a 8.2 detroit but haven't replace one on this engine can someone tell me the valve adjust gap, timing and injector torque, I WILL GREATLY APRECIATE IT any manual for sale?
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL esteban martins 11-24-09  
Favor enviar manuales del motor 8.2l detroit.gracias
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL julio cesar 10-29-09  
No puedo encender motor
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL waldo b 10-24-09  
How much on the shop manual?
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Ron Dougherty 10-12-09  
I am looking for an 8.2L shop manual in order to see if I can replace the seals between the injector and the head. they are leaking fuel into my engine oil.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Mike Milhous 3-19-09  
I have a 1984 School Bus with a V8 Detroit Diesel in it. It has a speed governor that limits me to 55 mph. Can you explain how to in crease the speed for me.
Thanks
Mike Milhous
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL antonio 1-21-09  
Me gustaria obtener el manual de servicio
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Lester Parris 2-6-08  
I need some information on a 8.2 Liter Detroit Diesel Engine. I need to know instruction on how to replace and set the injectors and also set the rack. Also do you have to remove the cylinder head to replace the injector cups in the head? If so I need the instructions also on how to remove the cylinder head and reinstall the head. Thanks for any help you can send me.

Thanks Again,
Lester
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL fxgxfgfgxb 3-5-08  
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Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Robert 10-24-07  
Yes I have a 8.2 manual from DDE.
It is not for sale, but I am willing to info to you free of charge. I used this manual in my day of medium/heavy truck repair. And sure as shooting, the day it leaves, I will need it.
I hope you understand. Feel free to ask, I do not bite.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Jerry Williams 1-25-06  
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Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Andrew Turney 9-23-17  
Hello! I would very much appreciate it if I could get a full service manual for a 1990 Detroit Turbo Diesel. Thank you!!
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Deana Wood 3-22-08  
Could you e-mail me on how to set the fuel injectors.Any info would be appreciated.I seem to be having a hard time.And i also need info about priming it to. thank you very much.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL RON 4-20-08  
How to set injector height
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL kukuh 9-14-08  
I want to download
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Eay Smith 12-9-08  
I could use a dowload of that manual
8.2 Litre Engine Nox Bob 9-5-08  
Hi I have just imported a motorhome to Australia,it has 8.2L detroit. I need to find the engine number for licencing,can anyone tell me where it is located on the block regards Bob
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL joe 8-27-08  
1984 gmc 7000 DETROIT 8.2 Liter diesel engine- what are the torque specs on the head and sequence and also the intake torque? I need help fast. Thanks for your time
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Joey 8-21-08  
I have a question about the 8.2 DD. I know this topic is about the shop manual. But it is also the only forum i can find that is active to date. I currently have a 8.2 in a small shrimp boat. It runs well and is good on fuel consumption. Here is the question. I have located a spare engine with 200,000 miles on it. The engine i have has turbo. The one given to me does not. Can i take the turbo off the current engine and put on the one that doesnt have a turbo? It looks like the bolting pattern is there for a turbo. Also, i someone can guide me in the right direction for the proper place to ask this question i would appreciate it. Thanks
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL EllRoy 2-23-10  
Need specs. for 8.2L fuel pincher. I need injector heights, head bolt tightening order. Thanks
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL John 7-10-10  
What are the torque specs for the clutch assembly on the 8.2 fuel pincher?
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL cesar ulises 4-14-15  
Quisiera saber la precion que lleva para poder calibrar valvulas de este motor que no logro que me empareje se queda muy acelerado
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL luis castillo 5-4-15  
Estoy interesado manuales de reparaciones
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Bill Rosensteel 9-11-14  
Have 8.2L Turbo in 35 Motorhome

what would expected boost be while
on incline, requesting Max. H.P.

Thanks

BR
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Jim Darden 11-12-13  
Where is the tachometer sender or wiring located?
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL DOUGLAS RODRIGUEZ 9-23-13  
Necesito saber la calibracion de llas valvulas y los injectores de un motor detroit 8.2
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL hector quiroz 6-25-15  
I need to know what kind of inyectors have GM 8.2
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL rodolfo 7-7-15  
I need the manual to repair motor
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Luis Alberto Vasquez Palacios 7-31-16  
Necesito manual de servicio del 8.2L turbo sobre torques y calibracion, gracias
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL kelsey quinn 12-5-15  
Hey I need to find out how to bleed my diesel fuel likes in my bus, I could really use a fuel diagram this engine is a 1988 GM 8.2 turbo diesel.
thanks
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL rodolfo 7-10-15  
I need the torques 8.2 l fuel pincher
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL rodolfo 7-10-15  
I need torques for 8.2 l detroit fuel pincher
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL fernando 3-9-13  
Tengo motor detroit 8.2 turbo cuando esta frio la presion del relog aceite marca 4 casi ala mitad pero cuando se calienta baja casi a cero por que puede ser la causa o como funsiona normalmente un relog de presion de aceite.grasia por su respuesta
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL robert 1-4-13  
Looking for wiring schematic
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL carlos 12-2-11  
Necesito la calibracion de los inyectores
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel MANUAL Carlos muñoz 2-8-12  
Tengo un motor 8.2 turbo lo quiero prender en el suelo pero Jose como activar la seneloide tien dos conectores una de 2 pines y otra de 3 pines es toy varado gracias por usa yuda.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL anil 10-28-11  
I need a 8.2l mannual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL orlando 7-4-11  
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Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL dan pratt 8-31-10  
My 84 detroit turbo is sending fuel into the oil reservoir somehow and i need to know how this is happening and how to fix it
Re: 8.2L Detroit Diesel Engine enquiry Krishna Moorthy Rao 3-17-12  
Sir,I have 3 buses 8.2 engines, unfortunately v r facing big trouble in one engine. when v purchased this bus actually,1990 petrol 366 gm origin vechile engine. somebody change to 8.2 diesl normal engine w/auto trans. Now 1 month before our mechanic told me to change the new cylinder head gasket, because this coolant water throwing out from cap. we open cyl head, then we find engine block little crack near to sleeve area. Then we find another crank case and from machine shop they make as std size sleeve,all assories change to new. in between starting problem, they change the governor control, still the vechile is running up to 70 km speed, If we loaded,its 50 km speed, last one month we suffer very much spending money&time, now this morning again there is problem the same water is throwing out from the radiator cap. Actuallu we fed up now. Now they saying again mostly cyl head gasket damaged. (this bus is equiped top loaded rear ac unit, thermoking eng)they couldnt diagonasis what is the proper problem? Really Iam waiting your favourable reply. Only this unit another 2 buses is running good the same engine. Message from Saudi Arabia. Thanks, Moorthy.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL CLAUDIO ESPINOZA 6-18-12  
Good afternoon, urgent need manuel for Detroit Diesel Engine 8.2 L..... THANK YOU.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL paulo loaiza 11-1-12  
Plesae send me 8.2L turbo detroit diesel shop manual.
thanks
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Arthur Ong Oh 8-11-12  
I would like to download the tune up specifications for 8.2L turbo diesel.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Steve Keltgen 7-28-12  
Looking for any manual for this 8.2L diesel It's in a 1989 GMC topkick. Having a vacuum issue and can't find the pump. It has no vacuum at the bulb but can't find the source of the vacuum. Any help would be great.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL CLAUDIO ESPINOZA 6-18-12  
Good afternoon, urgent need manuel for Detroit Diesel Engine 8.2 L..... THANK YOU.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Cody Butzer 8-27-10  
Im getting diesel in my oil. i believe it is a problem with the injectors. any help?
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL willy bances 5-4-15  
Solicito manual de parte de partes del motor 8.2 Liter "Fuel Pincher",
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Paul Gokey 2-1-17  
I'd like to know where the fuel solenoid is located on a 1984 gmc heavy duty turbo diesel. Ran good and shut off ok, but does not get any fuel to injectors. Have replaced the primary fuel filter and the one that was on it was ok also. i used to hear a loud click when starting it before this problem started. Makes me think it is the fuel solenoid. what is your opinion? thanks, Paul
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL zach 5-1-08  
I am trying to rebuild the heads due to a blown head gasket and warped head. the informtion i am looking for is the torque sequence and lbs. for the heads. also any special need to know information about the injectors i hear there a real pain on this specific motor. Any other information would be great as well.
thanks, Zach
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL ANNA 12-20-07  
IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN EITHER EMAIL ME OR FAX ME SOME INFORMATION ON HOW TO SET THE FUEL INJECTORS OR ANY INFO ON THE FUEL INJECTION.IM FIXING A TRUCK AND NEED THIS INFO TO FINISH IT ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED THANKS ANNA
EMAIL=landj_auto@verizon.net
FAX=727/541/4228
TELEPHONE=727/544/2233
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Ruben 3-17-10  
I would appretiate torque specs for the head and how to replace injector cups
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL cathy 12-4-08  
We are looking for the minuminum thickness requirement of the 8.2l detroit diesel hesd for milling of the head.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL gil 9-5-08  
Looking for torque specs for the inj. holddown and the rocker lever stands. also the pre set for the inj. height. thank you gil
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL malcolm 10-9-09  
Please could you tell me how to set the injector height on a detroit diesel 8.2 engine.

thank you
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Daniel Gomez 2-21-09  
Intake and exhaust valve lash adjustment main bearing cap bolts torque. specifications connecting rod cap nuts torque especifications. cylinder head torque bolts.none turbo engine
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Keith 5-31-09  
Robert,
I have an 8.2L Detroit mounted to a Crown Chassis under a 1988 Vogue motorhome. Engine will run on ether, and is getting fuel to the block where the lines going to the rails attach. Motorhome was low on fuel when it was last moved three weeks ago, but it did not die on its own at that point. I have changed both the primary and secondary fuel filters. Possible air lock? While I'm here, the Allison tranny has a Stone Bennett SB-6 shifter that has excessive play in the neutral position causing the start switch to lose contact while in neutral. The vibration from trying to start the engine will cause it to lose contact between crank attempts. Is there an adjustment or upgrade for this unit? If you could provide the publishing info from your manual, I would like to search for one to purchase. Thanks Keith
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL mike bostic 3-3-09  
I have a 1994 8.2 Detroit Diesel Industrial motor with turbo in a Trencher. Have noisey valvetrain and can feel valve float under load. Could you please send me ajustment procedure and clearences for my motor.

Sincerly,
mike Bostic
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL David S Johnson Jr 8-18-08  
I also need to find a 8.2 manuel but I have done a few of these 8.2 head gasket replacement here in Chatt Tn for the school system. These motors are really bad about blowing head gaskets,usually the right side.However to answer your injector height,here it is.You will have to get a injector height gauge.It sits on its stand.One side will say B.C. this is for base cicle timeing and this is what you will use.First off adust your valves according to the book..009 int,.014exh. Bump motor over until no 1 intake valve dips down a 1/4 in. Pt1
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL kris nack 12-13-13  
My gmc 7000 detroit diesel allison ran out of fuel, i REALLY need a diagram of the fuel system so i can bleed the fuel lines
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL David S Johnson Jr 8-18-08  
Pt 2: zero guage on the b.c. step on stand. take guage and put the claws under the injector body and let guage stand on injector. look on valve cover for some nombers next to the cylender number.example, cylender 1=.0453, cylender2=.0455 etc. loosen lock nut, look at the red numbers on the dial and with a screw driver turn clockwise until snug at bottom, start turning counter clockwise looking at the red numers on the guage until you hit the.0453 and gently tighen locknut.put guage on stand and re zero, bump no2 int valve 1/4& repeat.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL marcelo figueiredo 2-9-11  
Preciso saber o preço de um detroit novo 8VA de 500hp diesel
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Wendy M Brown 5-21-09  
I need to know the valve clearance and in general all the specifications for the engine timing to fix my 1985 detroit diesel dump truck.

Sincerely and Thank You,

Wendy M Brown
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Vu Dieu Dinh 4-20-09  
Dear sirs,
First of all, thank your support online. I'm a mechanic in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. In Vietnam, nowaday, American trucks and trailers like International, Sterling, Freighliner etc. have been importing more and more. Everyday, I have to face up many big problems on American trucks especially electrical and electronic system. You are highly appreciated if you help me how to solve them.
Thanks.
Vu Dieu Dinh.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Deana 4-22-08  
I have a friend that can help you with this please contact Mr.Street at 615-952-4074 after 7:00 pm if you cant reach him e-mail me with a contact # and i will have him call you what is the time of the day because he can use my cell during the day time that is when i see him thank you free advice is all ways welcomed
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL jack203764 8-12-09  
I looking for setting injector on 8.2 diesel.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL tom robichaud 8-22-10  
Price
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Stan E Sawyer 5-5-08  
I would like to buy or get a print out of procedure to set injector hight on 8.3 liter diesel engine
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Larry McElroy 2-12-09  
I have a marine Detroit Diesel 8.2 that has ben rebuilt. I can not remember where the tachometer hook up is located. Can some one advise me on this matter?
Thanks, Larry Mc
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL david 11-5-09  
Quisiera recibir manuales sobre reparacion de motores detroit diesel series 60
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL bob micko 11-27-10  
1978 f800 to remonve injectors from detroit diesel 8.2 liter
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL william 4-15-10  
Df
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Zibe 11-18-08  
I would be thankful for a download of the 8.2l turbo DD shop manual.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL polo valencia 10-8-08  
No se puede prender el motor,
necesitamos calibracion de inyectores y funcionamiento de sistema de combustible.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Del 6-28-09  
I need a 8.2l turbo detroit diesel shop manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL robert 1-5-09  
I would like to down load part of the manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL ROBERTO 4-30-12  
Ddd
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL KRISHNA MOORTHY RAO 7-17-12  
Sir, We are facing some problem 8.2 dsl engine. 1st time eng oil/water mix, mechanic find gasket broken, changed and cyl head re face and fix it. hardly 100 km run the vechile, again from the cap water throughing out, open again and recheck with pressure test cyl head and they advice changed cyl head, i spend more money with machine shop/workshop, and precious time, Now changed to another workshop expert 8.2 mechanic, they prefer to recheck cylinder bore and cyl head, all ok. today they start the engine outside, after 5 minutes again water and oil mixed. what is best advice? As my knowledge they still not found the main problem. please advice to recheck some main tips as your knowledge, I think more helpful to us. I appreciate your immediate response, Thanks & Regards, Moorthy from saudi arabia. Mob 0966509028149.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL troy waddell 7-1-09  
I need a manaul real bad my customer has a 1990 8.2 in a school bus that was worked on before and now won't run very well. but he dosen't know what they really did to the engine. He uses the bus to haul melons out of the field. So if you could send me a manual that would help out alot. THANKS TROY.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL kw 5-16-10  
Need to get a copy of the service manual also can you help dd 8.2l
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL robert 11-12-11  
8.2l turbo detroit diesel
want to download
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL justino 12-16-12  
Necesito manual de motor detroit v8 8.2L CALIBRACION DE VALVULAS, calibracion de inyectores
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL alvin williams, jr 3-17-13  
Can you help me out with a manual,I am trying to figure out the power steering manufacturer for replacement,thanks a millions..
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL edwin 4-30-14  
I need a shop manual for an 8.2 detroit diesel
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL orlando 8-6-14  
Necesito manuel de 8.2 turbo
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Michael Kobold 8-22-09  
I Need Too Know how many quarts of oil the 8.2 diesel holds with filter in a 1984 f700
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Neil 8-28-15  
Just looking for a PDF of this manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Herminio Villatoro 3-19-16  
I need reparation manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL bill cranford 11-26-09  
I have a 1990 rv with a8.2 detroit I would like to have a manual for it so I can fix my cruise control I would appreciate any help on finding a manual Thanks Bill
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL luciano 4-18-13  
Favor enviar manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL ron 11-25-09  
Need manual for 8.2l marine turbo detroit diesel 1986-90
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL ALDO MARIN 6-16-10  
Please, You send me catalog 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL deivy rojas 9-10-12  
Nececito el orden de encendido y la calibracion de valvulas
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL leo 10-31-10  
I want the manual
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL Marcelo Qualtieri 12-21-11  
I need catalog manutention
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL orlando 2-6-12  
Necesito manual turbo 8.2l en español gracias
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL ADRIANA PEÑA 10-23-12  
Necesito el manual del motor GM 8.2L COMO CALIBRAR LOS INYECTORES Y QUE HERRAMIENTAS NECESITO POR FAVOR
Re: 8.2L Detroit Diesel Engine enquiry luz orellana 4-9-14  
Buenas tardes quisiera saber a cuanto debe calibrarse un motor detroy fuel pincher año 1986.
Re: 8.2L Turbo Detroit Diesel shop MANUAL David Lewton 9-10-13  
Shop manual for an 8.2 Fuel Pincher motor
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